sorry this text ist about money and that is of course just a silly thing to talk about OMOE is more then that but if we start a new project I would like to discuss the financial part of it.
@Alfredo Aleandri if we take a publish on demand service a proper good printed book (like blurb) in about the same size we have been making will cost 100 euros. Adding a little profit would mean the book costs more. I don't think that is a good solution.
The printing, packing and sending the books is not a lot of work and since we have a shop this is also easy to manage. The most work is making the book. Of course you all now have the possiblity to start your own shared project (check my projects when you click on your profil icon on the right top) but if the kujaja team does it; we want to make a donation with the book, that is our goal.
With the OMOE 2015 book we made an around 1800 Euros donation (consider we made about 22 euros profit with each book, the rest went down on postal and packaging costs thats means we sold around 90 books) but we also got a big donation which paid for the printing which was of course awesome. If we do a OMOE 2016 book I would prefer that we make it without this donation and would like to raise the price of the book from 29,99 inclusive postal costs to 49,90 exclusive postal costs. We then will presumably less books but will be able to take care of the printing costs and even get a bigger donation in total at the end.
Asuming we only sell 60 books instead of 90 books we then can still get around 3000 Euros sales; taking out the costs of around 1000 euros for a 120 copies print would still get us the same amount of donation. We then again will have 60 copies left and hope those copies will also be sold....
If you all can live with this, and I am sure you can considering the alternative of using an on demand publishing company which costs more then twice, I'll start OMOE 2016
I am also sure we can get more then 60 people to join the project, for there was no OMOE project with less then 120 people, not everybody reads this discussion; we'll send out a newsletter, change the video above a bit textually so we can use it as commercial for this year.
To the rules, the photo should be shot outside, we can leave out the must have of seeing the sky but the project is about the light on earth and shooting the earth within the same moment. Inside taken photos are not allowed, if you cant take an outside photo it is not a reason for not uploading for it is great to see where all were at that minute but wont be taken into the book.
I guess the 10th of december is a good day, it is 2 weeks before christmas and a week after sinterklaas,
On the other hand the 31th of december I personally also really like... cause then we might get fireworks some where :-)
Great so many again want to start the omoe party... I'll open up the project asap
I think we can all understand the financial aspect of the projet, but it seems like we are slowly coming to a policy of participation fee : if you want to participate to a project, you first have to virtually place an order for the resulting book... Is it the idea ? I thought that the goal of the project was for the participants to give freely their pictures, so a book can be made, so other people can buy a nice book, and so the money gotten from the books, instead of going in the pocket of the photographers, goes to a charity. But it seems like it's becoming a circular thing, where the goal is to get the money from the participants themselves, where they not only have to give their pictures for free, but where they also have to pay themselves for the charity / to buy the book. A sort of lottery for photographers, with a price tag of 50€ on the ticket...
Anne M. Erdogan
I totally agree with you, Christophe.
The OMOE projects worked well previous years, why changing the process?
I'd be very pleased to be part of it as I did the years before and as a photographer participating into a beautiful charity project by giving my time and my (not too bad) skills for it. My participation will be this and only this. I don't want to be forced to buy the book, I disagree with this.
where do you read that you will have to buy the book?
nobody will have to buy the book.
In my opinion the proposed price 49,90 exclusive postal costs is too expensive considering the average quality of the (content of) book.
We must be honest: due to the strong project constraints it is hard to have all masterpieces :-)
I know that is for charity purpose but it is important to be honest with buyers/sponsors.
Is it possible to define the book price only when we have all the images and the (digital) final product?
This way we can choose if publish or not the book and define a fair price for its real value.
I think all the photographers will join anyway, also without any guarantee the book will be published.
Anne M. Erdogan
Well, Gido, It seems that Christophe and I read a text that is no longer here... :)
Under the conditions said above, I'll be part of the OMOE 2016, december the 10th is perfect for me.
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Ah, ok. I must have misread your message, Gido, sorry.
I did mention the new world street photography photo book system where people buy the book before they know if they join in a message for a longer time ago but not in this message.
I find it very hypocritical that people who aren’t active and/or rarely post on kujaja now come forward with negative comments regarding this project.
Last year’s OMOE was my first time participating in the project and I only have fond memories about the whole experience. It was a truly unique, worthwhile and thrilling experience from start to finish and I look forward to repeating it again for OMOE 2016.
I sincerely hope that enough people participate in the project, for all the right reasons, and that a more positive and encouraging approach can be adopted by all.
This is a wonderful opportunity for all of us, all over the world, to unite as photographers and collectively contribute to a charitable cause...both through our photographs and also, if possible, by purchasing the book.
I think the 10th is better than the 31st December, as I imagine that people will be too busy on New Year’s Eve to give the project the attention it deserves. This is only my opinion.
I understand your point, Paul, but there's nothing hypocritical there : I love the OMOE last year, it was very happy moment of sharing, of communion, even, with everyone here, and I'd love to participate again, and to get other (new) people to participate, to get these people to also get the chance to feel what it's like to participate to an OMOE with dozens of other photographers around the world. So, even if I don't participate very much to the site anymore, OMOE is still something I care about, and I ask questions.
Anne M. Erdogan
I don't think that saying honnestly what you think is hypocritical. I took part of already 2 OMOE and was extremely happy to do so, as I will be for the next one. Participating often or not in the usual Kujaja site is another question that has nothing to do with this. There is no judgement to have on what people do or say, unless it's abusive, which is not the case here.
Now, I won't argue anymore with one or another, this is a lack of time and energy. I'll be pleased to join the OMOE2016 if needed.
Given that the 10th of december seems to be ok for all, let's choose the crucial minute! :-D